hybridbear
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This article is quite negative about EV drivers & implies that EV drivers lack manners...
http://www.telegram.com/article/20151011/NEWS/151019862
http://www.telegram.com/article/20151011/NEWS/151019862
Here in Mpls I have never seen full charging stations. I believe that ones in downtown Mpls do get filled daily, though, but I don't work downtown so I haven't observed it. A few times I've seen Teslas parked in charging spots without being plugged in. If I had a Tesla I would plug in if I were parking in the space, otherwise I'd park somewhere else. A local grocery chain that is installing EV chargers at many of their stores has generally placed the chargers in such a way that many more vehicles can park with the chargers accessible than there are charging ports. That allows more vehicles to park there & share the charging cables if needed.breeves002 said:I saw this yesterday. Good for me because here in St. Louis there are like 5 electric cars, excluding the 10000 teslas and way too many chargers compared to those 5. However its still not enough.
Well... if the shoe fits... The article is also critical of ICE drivers who take up EV charging spots. The easiest thing to do to combat this would be for them to stop putting the charging stations in prime locations. It would be great if they put them at the far end of the parking lot. Also putting them were more than 1 spot can access a particular charger would be a good idea. Plus as the article points out, most charge stations are the equivalent of a gas station giving away free gas but it just takes hours instead of minutes to pump. Of course you're gonna have people fighting for the free stuff.hybridbear said:This article is quite negative about EV drivers & implies that EV drivers lack manners...
http://www.telegram.com/article/20151011/NEWS/151019862
This past weekend I was at a local mall that has 4 charge spots. All 4 spots were taken by Volts (good thing we didn't drive the FFE). In this case the 4 spots are right next to the valet and thus are primo spots (I didn't check to see if all the Volts were actually charging or not).triangles said:I'm always annoyed by the Volts hogging the chargers at the Detroit airport. I'm not stupid or naive enough to expect them to be free when I fly out on a Monday morning but it sure would be nice if they were so I didn't have to wait 2-3hrs for a charge when I get back since I live about 65 miles from the airport.
triangles said:Well... if the shoe fits... The article is also critical of ICE drivers who take up EV charging spots. The easiest thing to do to combat this would be for them to stop putting the charging stations in prime locations. It would be great if they put them at the far end of the parking lot. Also putting them were more than 1 spot can access a particular charger would be a good idea. Plus as the article points out, most charge stations are the equivalent of a gas station giving away free gas but it just takes hours instead of minutes to pump. Of course you're gonna have people fighting for the free stuff.hybridbear said:This article is quite negative about EV drivers & implies that EV drivers lack manners...
http://www.telegram.com/article/20151011/NEWS/151019862
I'm always annoyed by the Volts hogging the chargers at the Detroit airport. I'm not stupid or naive enough to expect them to be free when I fly out on a Monday morning but it sure would be nice if they were so I didn't have to wait 2-3hrs for a charge when I get back since I live about 65 miles from the airport.
michael said:there should be a steep parking fee once charging is complete. Blink is now charging 8 cents a minute for sitting on a charging station after completion.
What membership fee? There's no membership fee for ChargePoint here...pjam3 said:ChargePoint all have membership fees.
pjam3 said:It is rare to find one that doesn't charge and some of them have jacked up the cost to like $1-2 per hour. I used one station in the past and it cost me like $6 to charge for a little over 3 hours.
Fair point, but do you find many public L2 EVSEs that get to 6.6? Most ChargePoint stations around here are 6.6 kW shared on a dual handle station. Often times the voltage is only 195 V or so, which means that you don't get the full 6.6 kW even if no one else is charging. A station that bills by the hour but has split handles where someone could come & siphon off half of your charging power would stink.damania said:$2 an hour is a great price at 6.6 kwh. That's $.30 per kwh which is only a bit higher than charging at home.
Perhaps he's thinking of the $25 "deposit" that needs to made in order to open a ChargePoint account. But, these funds are then used to pay for charging, and periodically replenished from your credit card.hybridbear said:What membership fee? There's no membership fee for ChargePoint here...pjam3 said:ChargePoint all have membership fees.
I thought about this too. We never use pay ChargePoint stations, so they've never charged our credit card. They don't charge the $25 unless you use a pay station.WattsUp said:Perhaps he's thinking of the $25 "deposit" that needs to made in order to open a ChargePoint account. But, these funds are then used to pay for charging, and periodically replenished from your credit card.hybridbear said:What membership fee? There's no membership fee for ChargePoint here...pjam3 said:ChargePoint all have membership fees.
So, not quite a membership fee, or at least is like one that "carries over" from month to month if you don't use it. Blink's membership fee, on the other hand, is "use it or lose it".
hybridbear said:Fair point, but do you find many public L2 EVSEs that get to 6.6? Most ChargePoint stations around here are 6.6 kW shared on a dual handle station. Often times the voltage is only 195 V or so, which means that you don't get the full 6.6 kW even if no one else is charging. A station that bills by the hour but has split handles where someone could come & siphon off half of your charging power would stink.damania said:$2 an hour is a great price at 6.6 kwh. That's $.30 per kwh which is only a bit higher than charging at home.
Some free ChargePoint stations are even limited to 5.0 kW shared. I'm not sure why a business would choose to do that, unless it was related to their electrical circuitry & what they could support, but I'd think that when installing new EVSEs, you'd be able to run sufficient wiring to support a minimum of 6.6 kW.
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