klusters
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Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:50 pm

Hi all,

We have a Nissan Leaf and were interested in adding a second EV to our stable. I've read a lot about the benefits the FFE has over the Leaf (faster charging, battery thermal management) and the weaknesses (tighter interior/slightly smaller cargo, heavier). But one thing I am still trying to figure out is which one would win in a real world range comparison between the two. The FFE is heavier, and more powerful, with a slightly smaller battery (23KW vs 24kW) yet its EPA range rating is slightly longer. But maybe its regen is more efficient, or the battery temp management improves efficiency and thus range? One article that did test both seemed to indicate that the Nissan Leaf is the winner by a long shot. Anyone do a head to head comparison or know of some definitive tests on the issue? Seems to me that since these are the only two real BEV options on the market that one can buy right off a dealership, that someone would have done a test to see who the range king is...

Or if anyone if you have driven both, I would love to hear your reasons as to why you chose the FFE.

thanks in advance

Jimbo
2012 Nissan Leaf Blue
charging at 110V
NJ
2012 Nissan Leaf SL Ocean Blue - leased Oct 2012
2012 Ford Focus Electric Diamond White - leased Dec 2012
standard 110V charging so far

Northeast NJ

pilotgeek
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Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:16 pm

klusters wrote: Or if anyone if you have driven both, I would love to hear your reasons as to why you chose the FFE.
Jimbo,

I cannot say who the range king would be. I have driven both the Leaf and the Focus. The biggest deciding factor for me was that the Focus drives like.. well.. a car. The Leaf.. not so much. It feels more like a Prius.. or some other transport that is desperately trying to be extra green. In fact, I would argue Ford went a bit too far trying to make the car feel normal by including creep (the car moves forward when you take your foot off of the brake). Having never owned an automatic that took some getting used to. But I digress...

I would encourage you to take a drive a Focus EV and I suspect you will see what I mean. At least the first part. :)

Regards,
Neal

klusters
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Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:44 pm

Thanks Neal,

I've driven the FFE and , like most, think it handles better than the Leaf. I am surprised there isnt a more indepth head-to-head comparison of the two, either from some of the established car magazines or from buyers who are interested in which car comes out on top. Afterall in the EV domain, range is king.
2012 Nissan Leaf SL Ocean Blue - leased Oct 2012
2012 Ford Focus Electric Diamond White - leased Dec 2012
standard 110V charging so far

Northeast NJ

GRA
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Location: East Shore of San Francisco Bay

Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:38 pm

There's at least one ex-Leaf owner (posted as wiltingleaf on MNL; got a buyback from Nissan owing to degradation) who swapped it for an FFE, so they should be the best bet for a comparison, until one of the auto mags does one.

hplbiking
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Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Wed Dec 26, 2012 8:34 pm

For my reviews most of the numbers looked close enough to not make much difference. And while I do not mind an ev that says "look at me I'm electric" I did not want a car that says "I am ugly as he'll". Sorry but that is what I think of the leafs. Everyone is different and we all have different taskes, so please take no offense to my person opinion.

yakers
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Location: Pasadena CA

Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:39 pm

I did not drive the Leaf as my wife just doesn't like the way it looks. A friend has looked into both and he is leaning toward the Leaf becasue it is boxy and carries a lot of stuff and he wants to advertise 'electric car'. The FFE is just like a 'normal' car in how it looks and how it drives. We did drive the Mitsubishi and it was terrible. It was like a golf cart, felt it would be dangerous in the highway. While my wife likes the efficency and quiet of her FFE, I appreciate what a good car it is, good acceleration (electric torque come thru there!), solid thunk when the doors close, comfortable seating and general ergonomic layout. I enjoy driving it regardless of it being electric.

GTOGreg
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Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:45 am

yakers wrote:I did not drive the Leaf as my wife just doesn't like the way it looks. A friend has looked into both and he is leaning toward the Leaf becasue it is boxy and carries a lot of stuff and he wants to advertise 'electric car'. The FFE is just like a 'normal' car in how it looks and how it drives. We did drive the Mitsubishi and it was terrible. It was like a golf cart, felt it would be dangerous in the highway. While my wife likes the efficency and quiet of her FFE, I appreciate what a good car it is, good acceleration (electric torque come thru there!), solid thunk when the doors close, comfortable seating and general ergonomic layout. I enjoy driving it regardless of it being electric.


Well said, Yakers. Pretty well sums up my feelings as well. The argument can cut both ways, but I personally feel having a global car platform with overall higher production is the better approach to electric than a purpose-built platform. There are so many aspects that go into building a car that I don't want one designed for a niche, unknown market at this point. Corners are cut, sacrifices are made, etc...the bean counters are watching after-all . The downside of the argument is weight and space, but with the way the FFE drives, handles, and is efficient, those are two compromises I can live with for a more solid car all-around. Not advertised as electric/hybrid/green is huge for me.

mc1234
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Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:16 am

Hello,
After a lot of research and EV comparisons ( including many test drives on the Leaf), I am happy to report we went in for our Ice Storm Ford Focus Electric. The car is lovely, with graceful handling, and the recent lease incentives from Ford are certainly helping.
Love, love, love the styling and comfortable cabin.
So financially and aesthetically, a very good decision.
I have to mention the rather jerky handling on the Leaf, although it did have more trunk space. But comparing 143 h.p. to the Leaf's 103, the FFE wins outright.

Ice Storm 2014 FFE

epaminondas
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Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:50 pm

I have always had a problem getting around the syling of the Leaf. I was very close to buying one then I learned more about the FFE. I am so happy with my FFE. Fast, quiet, luxurious, it looks great. The size is perfect - nimble, easy to park but roomy even enough for my full drum set. I can't find any real fault with the car - love, love love
2014 Ford Focus Electric -silver
2005 MBZ 350 ML
2008 Scion TC
1996 Ford F250 Powerstroke
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michael
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Re: Nissan Leaf vs Ford Focus Electric

Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:29 pm

It drives me nuts how many people buy a Leaf because they want an EV and think that Leaf and Tesla are the only ones available. Ford oh Ford....you have such a good product, why don't you seriously sell them.
2013 FFE Returned after 3 years with 52,000 miles and battery down to 15.2 kWh
2014 Volt returned with 43,000 miles
2014 Volt 26,000 miles
1967 Corvette 427
1962 Corvette 327
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