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Value Charge Not Working

Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:49 am

I have my value charge setup for 7pm to 7am. It's cold out and the car warns me to leave it plugged in. Does the car override the value charge schedule?It's currently not stopping the charging at 7am for some reason.

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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Mon Nov 29, 2021 3:57 pm

The car is the only part that actually uses the value charge settings, so it's either not honoring them in the first place or it only avoids "starting" the charge outside that window.

Only recommendation I can make is to clear them completely and set again. If your charger itself supports a schedule you should set it there instead.
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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Mon Nov 29, 2021 4:11 pm

Yah I tried resetting several times. Even tried deleting MyFordMobile account and start over. I read on other forums that people were having the same issue with their Ford cars (PEVs). This sucks.

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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:52 am

Not to minimize the impact - I know it sucks that it doesn't work right - but what's the difference in power cost for your peak/off-peak?

Are you charging with the 120V cord? Also, you may be having a problem with GPS/location. The car tracks where you charge and if these are not associating to your current location for some reason it can misbehave. But you said you created a totally new account so there shouldn't be many in there. Still might be a good idea to check.
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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Tue Nov 30, 2021 9:57 am

Yes I'm currently charging with the 120v cable. I don't have the 240v charger yet.

Off peak rates: $0.08 / kWh
On peak rates: $0.17 / kWh

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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:00 am

Okay so the 120V setting is correct below. I do wonder if it actually enforces those times for 120V - since that travel cord is usually a last resort.

Which model of the travel cord do you have? I wouldn't want to spend an extra $1.50 a day for charging either ($4 instead of $2.50), let's see what we can do.
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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:18 am

Travel cord

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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:50 am

Alright, so I believe that model has been recalled and replaced with a new one. I was going to keep mine and Ford snuck it out when I brought it for something else. Not sure what the ford part # is but the OEM model on mine is CC-C-L2-13-300-B, with the CC being ClipperCreek.

If you get one of those cords (Ford should literally have them on hand to swap as needed) you can actually hook it to 240V with an adapter - the guts are a legitimate 240V EVSE that has been setup to just 'carry on' when it sees 120V instead of freaking out and throwing an error like most 240V units would. Some of those original Ford travel cords would work on 240V as well but they had many revisions and not all were spec'd to that level.

I mention this because I am not sure if it actually enforces value charge times for the travel cord as it pulls a max of like 1.4kW

If I'm not mistaken the car actually won't run battery cooling when connected to 120V because it would potentially drain the battery any time the EVSE couldn't supply enough power for the AC compressor, and other times it would basically not be able to charge with the extra load offsetting anything coming in.

The heating does not pull as much - it maxes at 900W for the battery heater, but that means the travel charger is going to be giving your battery almost no charge when it needs those heaters. So I do believe it simply does not do any battery conditioning (heating or cooling) on 120V. Again because that cord is a last resort type device and that extra load would make it nearly useless for charging. Sorry I didn't remember this earlier - mine has been up on jackstands in the garage for most of the year :/

If you can get the replacement cord and adapt to a 240V plug, the car would treat it as a proper EVSE (albeit only putting out 2.5-2.8kW). It is not a solution that is "up to code" as it requires you to at some point have a 120V receptacle that is actually at 240V. In that vein I usually make the 240V adapter as short as possible and try to connect directly to it so it's not some random dangling socket that can get mixed up. You can also wire a legit 240V 15A plug on the charger and adapt to that, but I feel like that's overkill for most.

So the summary is - it may not honor those times on 120V, it also may not honor them if the location data isn't interpreted right, and plugging it in on 120V isn't actually satisfying the prompt to plug in and heat the battery - aside from the bit of warming from the charging itself.
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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:17 pm

Do you have any information on the charger recall? Ford bulletin or something cause the Carfax came back as no outstanding recalls required.

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Re: Value Charge Not Working

Tue Nov 30, 2021 12:29 pm

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedi ... erica.html

Yours may be newer than that and have the newer type of cord. The actual change was putting a thermistor in the 120V plug so it could shut of if it was getting too hot and avoid damaging anything.

It looks like @cecil-t had that same model and was able to run it at 240V viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4206&start=40 and I believe that another part of that thread confirmed that the plug has the thermistor already. If the part with the 120V plug has "2 C 22AWG" or similar stamped into the jacket, it already has the thermistor and isn't under recall.
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