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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:08 am 
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Hello again,
Going to brother in laws with our 2017 FFE.
I'll try and post a couple of video blogs along the journey.
Attached is a pdf of a spreadsheet I've created using infrimation from the web.
It shows my intended charging legs as well as the interim charging points in orange.
Plug share is quite good with elevation change information.
I've also attached the first leg elevation chart. It actually shows to next town.
This first leg is the greatest change of elevation.

I'll try and answer any questions you all may have.

Wish us luck.

Chris & Jennifer
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:59 am 
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Well that is super exciting taking a longer trip in your car.

This tool might just help you a little bit
https://www.evtripplanner.com/

I haven't tried this in a very long time. I think they have options for different cars (at one time it was a universal tool, it may have evolved to be more Tesla). If they don't, you can always use factors to get the battery size to match yours (the factors apply linear to the capacity).

A huge number of people swear by this tool.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:02 pm 
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Very daring! I thought about doing a similar trip—not as far as Revelstoke, probably just Kelowna—but got scared by the scarcity of chargers within range beyond Hope.

Another thought I had was to see if I could make a one-way 150 km trip tomorrow morning (July 1, natch), which for me would mean ending up spending a few hours charging in Hope for the return trip. But 300 km in a day is really a lot, and I don't know any driver who'd want to share in my lunacy.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:48 pm 
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Thank foe the evtripplanner reminder.
I looked at it so long ago Imhad forgot about it.

Regarding chargers past hope.
It's Hope that is for me the disappointment as there appears to be no CCS charger there.
So I'm topping up in chilliwack to get to manning.
Once past Manning I'm planning on topping up enough to skip chargers if necessary do to Canada Day business in a couple of the towns were chargers are in the centre of town.

However I might just stop more frequently an top up with enough to provid the ability to skip a charger.

My only real fear is climbing up and out to Manning Park, the first leg.

Tomorrow we roll.

Happy Canada Day for tomorrow everyone.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:56 am 
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Made it to Revelstoke.
Memory in my phone is too full for the amateur video I was planning on creating.

So I think it would be best to move to the battery section on this forum.

I've created a link to the filled in speadsheet.
When I do the reverse trip and get home I'll prepare a cleaned up version with the green lot charging information that they automatically send after each charge.

If you use the plug share app I posted some thoughts and pictures there too.

Items of note:
Uphill climbs take more than the factor I mentioned earlier.
Although I arrived with 12% at Manning park the percent left at the top of the last peak before desending into the park was 8%. With the guess o'meter warning me that there was less than 15km left to go. The remainder of trip was stress free.
Here's a link to the hand filled in form
https://goo.gl/photos/Hq6zEsZ4e2GUMpbo7

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:29 am 
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Can we assume you made it back safely, Chris? I'm curious about your experience, lessons learned, etc.

I'm particularly curious about the numbers, like how much allowance (kWh) one should make for elevation gain, how much to expect from regen for elevation loss.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:40 pm 
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Hi,
Yes we made it back.
Sorry, but my family visited and I parked the speadsheet until today.
I'll post the spreadsheet with all the stats in a couple of days.

But a couple of observations for now.
I did Skip every other charger there and back.
Vernon and Penticton if you keep an eye on plugshare you'll see they seem to be used the most so I skipped those places.
Stayed longer at stops than I needed to, but would probably do that again as what's an extra 10 Min's per stop. For me the 650km 5 stop trip from Langley to Revelstoke would amount to an additional 30min. I can live with that for the buffer gained.
Respect the up Hill climbs. I will find the actual figure based on this trip but it will be well north of the 1.5kwh penalty per 1000' more than a fellow Leaf owner quoted in their forum.
AC was used on the trip to Revelstoke once I was past Manning Park. It doesn't seem to use all that much additional juice, 5% maybe.
When high speed charging in a warm environment 32C + on the trip to Revelstoke that car will be in full AC on mode in the car during charging. With the dash fan full blast. There was no way to adjust this as the car was not on.... I never tried turning on the car during charging as I didn't want to interupt charging.

I'll include more observations with the speadsheet in the coming days.

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Chris
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:18 am 
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Chrispy294ss wrote:
Respect the up Hill climbs. I will find the actual figure based on this trip but it will be well north of the 1.5kwh penalty per 1000' more than a fellow Leaf owner quoted in their forum.

My math and basic high school physics puts it around 5 Wh/m. For 1000', that would be almost dead on that 1.5 kWh estimate. (To be safe, I'd probably use total elevation gain, ignoring regen, because I imagine that you only regen 80% or 90% of what you put in to climb. So Langley to Manning would be closer to 2000 m than 1100 m for my own calculations. Google Maps helps with this when you ask it for cycling directions.)

Chrispy294ss wrote:
When high speed charging in a warm environment 32C + on the trip to Revelstoke that car will be in full AC on mode in the car during charging. With the dash fan full blast. There was no way to adjust this as the car was not on.... I never tried turning on the car during charging as I didn't want to interupt charging.

I've noticed this as well, when the outside temperature was just around 20C. Plug into a fast charger and everything opens up full blast. Pressing the power button turns it off in the cabin, but I don't know if there's a risk to the battery by doing that.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:50 am 
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ghiebert wrote:
I've noticed this as well, when the outside temperature was just around 20C. Plug into a fast charger and everything opens up full blast. Pressing the power button turns it off in the cabin, but I don't know if there's a risk to the battery by doing that.


The FFE has separate evaporators for cabin and battery cooling so turning off the cabin AC would have no effect on battery cooling.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:01 pm 
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I wonder if the fast charger heats the battery to such an extent that the interior cabin is heated so they run the A/C--alternatively they're using the cabin A/C to provide additional cooling for the upper battery?

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