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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 6:04 pm 
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I noticed two unrelated threads discussing the 2017 FFE but having a hard time to find real data so I'd like to have a thread that
"focuses" solely on the 2017 FFE rather than new '17 owners revisiting topics related to earlier models.

I have a 2017 on order and considering trading my 2016 already and would like to get insight on:

Battery real capacity: how much of the 33.5KWH is actually "available" ...I would assume that a kind soul could volunteer for a drawdown test or run a driving test until empty. I do that all the time on my '16FFE but that is easy as I am always close to a charger.

Get a sense on how many people are trading up/ordering/receiving the 2017. I hope to see a pick up over the dismal 2016 numbers for the FFE. If the '17 is a dud I might want to wait 6 months and get the Bolt instead.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:54 am 
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I'd offer, but it'll probably be a couple months until I can get my garage cleaned out enough to fit my car in, as well as get a 240V outlet installed.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:49 am 
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2017 owner here. Have had it a week.

Looking at the CAN signals on Forscan, it appears that about 29 kWh are useable. I have not actually measured it at full charge, but I am extrapolating from SoC vs energy remaining at the time i took a log. 29 makes sense, though.

I live in Michigan and have been driving to work. Averaging about 230Wh/mile in commuting traffic. Goes over 250 at 70 mph, but i have limited miles there.

Longest drive in 1 day was a total of about 65 miles over 3 separate drives. Weather was just below freezing. SoC was at 40% when i got home. I rarely if ever use cabin heating except if I am plugged into prewarm. Rely instead on heated seats.

Love the car. Bolt is great too, if you can afford it.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:43 am 
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Picked up my white gold '17 yesterday. The most significant observation was my high-range-anxiety wife's pleasing response to the 108 miles shown on the guess o meter. We live west of Chicago. Temp was low 50's. When I left the garage, the 2014 FFE said 65 miles on the battery.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:21 am 
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Spent some time this morning setting up radio stations, nav preferences, etc.

First impression of Sync3 is positive. More experience will tell the real story.

Total frustration with myfordmobile setup. Dealer entered VIN into web app. App said it would send message to my car. It's been 2 days and no confirmation message. Searched pdf manual and NO INFO on how to setup/access myfordmobile in car. Logged into web app and found charging info for the 2014 that I just turned in, (Strangely, latest entry was 11/17/2016). There was no info on my 2017. Tried to add the new VIN and it said another user has already claimed that VIN. Dealer is going to try to track down problem. We'll see.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:09 am 
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INFO from the door post.

My 2016 says:
275Kg /829lbs load
38PSI for tires

What is your '17 saying for load (I already heard PSI is at 41)

Since the GVWR is about the same I am curious if the larger battery capacity reduced the load or if they improved the batteries
and made them lighter per KWH.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 7:54 am 
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fbitz777 wrote:
INFO from the door post.

My 2016 says:
275Kg /829lbs load
38PSI for tires

What is your '17 saying for load (I already heard PSI is at 41)

Since the GVWR is about the same I am curious if the larger battery capacity reduced the load or if they improved the batteries
and made them lighter per KWH.

Thanks!


Mine says: 375 kg or 827 lbs

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:02 am 
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oops I meant 375kg too..

so they really improved the batteries by 30% or so in terms of weight/kwh

unless they saved weight other places

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:01 pm 
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Hi,

I was an happy co-owner of a C-Max 2014 for almost 3 years. I knew that I would appreciate the FFE 2017. Finally after only 1 month, I am more satisfied than I would thought.

I am living in Eastern Townships (Quebec, Canada) for more than 6 years and I work in Montreal. I was using our second car, a Nissan Versa Note 2014 to drive at the bus parking. My daily commute is 130 km (81 miles). My gas consumption was about 300$ per month.

I have hesitated for a long time between the Leaf 2017 and the FFE 2017 because I was owner of a Nissan car since 2009. I had always hated the Nissan Connect System. It is still not compatible with Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. With the DC Fast Charging on the FFE 2017, a better battery (33.5 kWh for the Focus vs 30 kWh for the Leaf), the compatibility of Sync 3 with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, and a lower price of 5000$, my choice was easy to do.

One of my principal concern was how Canadian winter would affect the battery range. I got my FFE 2017 on March 17th, few days later the temperature was between -10 C/-15 C (14 F/ 5 F) and I had the opportunity to drive 145 km (90 miles) between Brossard and Melbourne. The drive was 90% on the highway, cabin was preheated, minimum heating of 21 C (70 F) for about 50% of the trip. I finally got to the fast charging station safe with only 2 km (1 1/4 mile) available.

The speed of fast charging is very interesting. I got the maximum of the charging station (average of 40-45 kWh) for the firsts 80%. The charging speed reduces at 50% between 80% and 90%. After 90%, the charging speed is almost similar of a L2 charging station. It took me 45 minutes to charge my FFE from 1% to 90%.

I will keep you posted when I have better results this spring.

Joey


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:28 am 
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joeyfraser wrote:
The speed of fast charging is very interesting. I got the maximum of the charging station (average of 40-45 kWh) for the firsts 80%. The charging speed reduces at 50% between 80% and 90%. After 90%, the charging speed is almost similar of a L2 charging station. It took me 45 minutes to charge my FFE from 1% to 90%.

Thanks for sharing your experience. I think that's expected behavior of the DCFC. It only goes to 80% at full speed to protect the battery.


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