You may soon find that you enjoy driving electric so much that it becomes your primary vehicle.NightHawk said:I only did the minimum 10.5Kmiles/year since I don't need more than that on this car, its a secondary vehicle for me.
focussed said:New to the board!
I have negotiated $1000 below invoice for 2014 FFE with Leather here in the SF Bay area.
The one sticking point I have is that the Ford includes $542 'Advertising Assessment Fees'. This doesn't show up in invoice from Edmunds and Cars.com. We know how poorly Ford runs advertising for FFEs!
Has anybody been able to slice this off the Invoice? Thanks for any responses and comments!
NightHawk said:focussed said:New to the board!
I have negotiated $1000 below invoice for 2014 FFE with Leather here in the SF Bay area.
The one sticking point I have is that the Ford includes $542 'Advertising Assessment Fees'. This doesn't show up in invoice from Edmunds and Cars.com. We know how poorly Ford runs advertising for FFEs!
Has anybody been able to slice this off the Invoice? Thanks for any responses and comments!
Yes $1000 below invoice is the best I could get quoted in the San Diego county area a couple weeks ago.
But down here I didn't get any "advertising assessement fees" added only normal tax and license fees.
Sounds like a way to increase their profit and then you are really only getting less than $500 under invoice which is a typical dealer quoted price from what I've seen, only one or two dealers in my area would go well below that based on TruCar website pricing.
I'd recommend try some other dealers nearby and see if they all add that "fee"? Maybe its something unique to your local area, or just one dealer doing it?
For reference on the 2014 Ford Focus Electric I made a deal on a little over a week ago, the dealer offered $2700 dealer discount off of MSRP plus the Ford $6000 incentive discount; that resulted in about $900 below invoice. A dealer much farther away quoted about $100 less, but didn't have as good a selection of the colors/options I wanted in stock.
You have to watch the numbers very closely at the end too - when I asked for detailed numbers for a lease deal (more than just monthly fee and money down) I discovered they had reduced the dealer discount by a few hundred dollars. I showed the salesman the earlier email quoted $2700 dealer discount he had sent me the day before (saved everything on my cell phone) and he immediately replied "oops my mistake" and quickly fixed it for the lease quote. I had to check all the numbers on the final printed lease agreement too, they had added an extra $500 to the buy out price at the end of the lease. I caught that later on and they told me that was for a $500 fee for purchase option but they would waive it for me if in 3 years I decided to buy the car.
They will sneak in extra fees if you aren't alert to catch them, but may quickly remove them if you ask about it. Considering I saw the profit they were making was well under $50 on my deal for the car, I kinda understood, but still triple checked all the numbers along the way.
#1 thing to check... make sure the tires are properly inflated. The dealership may have simply inflated them to the standard PSI for the ICE Focus, which is 32 PSI. But, that is not correct for the FFE.focussed said:Getting the hang of the FFE interface, MFM and ways to drive it efficiently.
I've been running around 44 PSI for the past few weeks (from the recommended 38) and so far I have not noticed any increase in range--if it is there it is no larger than the daily noise in the signal. I have noticed a bit harsher ride but that could be just a perception since I know the tires are harder and would expect that...WattsUp said:Personally, I have been experimenting with even higher pressures, around 42 PSI. I've been seeing a noticeable increase in range.
Yeah, the ride is probably a tiny bit harsher, but not much.jmueller065 said:I've been running around 44 PSI for the past few weeks (from the recommended 38) and so far I have not noticed any increase in range--if it is there it is no larger than the daily noise in the signal. I have noticed a bit harsher ride but that could be just a perception since I know the tires are harder and would expect that...WattsUp said:Personally, I have been experimenting with even higher pressures, around 42 PSI. I've been seeing a noticeable increase in range.
It could be in the noise for me but then also in my commute: If I stay off the freeway for both directions of my commute I'll frequently wake up to 100+ range estimates on a full charge. If use the freeway for just one leg it will drop to the mid-90s (all of this in mild weather). Now it is possible that I'm not noticing it because our temps started to fall into the 50s/60s right about the same time I upped the pressure and I'm still seeing the 80s (temp) range figures--not sure how much of a contributing factor this is.WattsUp said:Hmm, wonder why you don't see any difference? My normal around town driving usually leaves me with full-change ranges in the 80s, maybe a low 90 every now and then.
Yes, if there was any machine that was over-engineered, over-capacitied, and routinely under-utilitized for its daily tasks, it is the gasoline automobile.epaminondas said:The whole drive electric thing is a process of us retraining ourselves to years of driving un-sustainable gas guzzling, poluting, behavior.
We call them "Air Haulers."WattsUp said:And it goes double for those "patriots" who drive themselves around everyday (alone!) in their Ford F-150 dual-wheel, quad-cab, stretch-bed (carrying nothing!) editions.
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