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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Sun May 12, 2013 1:10 pm

Although I mostly try to charge at work (we have Level 2 units from ChargePoint), I sometimes charge at home using my "portable Level 2 charging kit", which I posted about previously here:
http://www.myfocuselectric.com/forum/vi ... f=8&t=1004

My kit contains a ClipperCreek LCS-25 Level 2 EVSE which supplies 4.8kW and allows my FFE to charge from empty in 5 hours. The LCS-25 is small and rugged (about the size of the car's Level 1 charger). It draws only 20 amps, making it safely "pluggable" almost anywhere (virtually all household 240V outlets are on 20-30 amp circuits). I have had zero "interfacing" problems using the LCS-25 with the FFE. My only complaint is that the J1772 handle is more "sniff" than usual to insert/remove, but this seems to be loosening up.

Btw, ClipperCreek seems to have made their $595 sale price permanent:
http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/Clippe ... Detail.bok
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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Mon May 13, 2013 5:55 am

I'm pretty lucky because I haven't had to buy a charging station. My daily commute is only 15 miles total so I just plug the car into 110V twice a week overnite. However, I'm interested in hearing about everyone's experience because it'd be nice to have the option to quick charge sometimes. Especially, if we get another plug-in hybrid or similar in the near future like I plan. I saw where Bosch will come out with an affordable charger (about $500) in a month or two. Does anyone know if any of their Level II chargers are made in US or by an American company?

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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Mon May 13, 2013 9:57 am

Oh yeah... the ClipperCreek is American-made, if that affects anybody's decision process.
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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Mon May 13, 2013 4:14 pm

I installed the Clipper Creek LCS-25 that is working GREAT. It's outdoor rated and I have a metal holster attached to the side of the garage that the plug rests in. I got the whole thing for $715 delivered, spent $250 getting it permitted and installed.

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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Mon May 13, 2013 4:40 pm

rcmager wrote:I installed the Clipper Creek LCS-25 that is working GREAT. It's outdoor rated and I have a metal holster attached to the side of the garage that the plug rests in. I got the whole thing for $715 delivered, spent $250 getting it permitted and installed.
Did you notice any excessive "sniffness" inserting/removing the J1772 handle in your FFE's charging port? I did (see my comments earlier in the thread).

How old is your LCS-25? (Judging from your costs, you bought it before the $595 sale?) :( ClipperCreek told me they recently changed the handle from one supplier to another. So, if your handle has always been easy to use with your FFE's port, perhaps you got the earlier supplier's version?
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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Mon May 20, 2013 6:22 pm

WattsUp wrote:
rcmager wrote:I installed the Clipper Creek LCS-25 that is working GREAT. It's outdoor rated and I have a metal holster attached to the side of the garage that the plug rests in. I got the whole thing for $715 delivered, spent $250 getting it permitted and installed.
Did you notice any excessive "sniffness" inserting/removing the J1772 handle in your FFE's charging port? I did (see my comments earlier in the thread).

How old is your LCS-25? (Judging from your costs, you bought it before the $595 sale?) :( ClipperCreek told me they recently changed the handle from one supplier to another. So, if your handle has always been easy to use with your FFE's port, perhaps you got the earlier supplier's version?
Just got back from vacation and the Clipper Creek LCS-25 was waiting for me. Now I just need to find an electrician to install it and hopefully get my Focus tomorrow. I'll let you know if its a tight fit

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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Wed May 22, 2013 2:14 pm

Bought my Focus yesterday and bought a dryer plug and connected it to the charge station and plugged it into the dryer hookup so I could charge the car last night. Worked great and the J1772 handle was just a tad stiffer than the station the car came with but totally easy to insert and remove.

A Licensed Electrician came this morning and did the install (main breaker box on the other side of the garage wall) and the charge was $100.

So for $595 and $8.00 shipping and the install I have a Clipper Creek LCS-25 all done for $703. I think that's an awesome deal.

I was a little worried not being able to charge at 6.6kw from the $1,000 station with shipping but now that I know I can get a lot of extra miles by braking I'm totally fine charging at 5.5kw.

Man, I'm really loving this car. Everyone at work is jealous. I was spending over $2k a year in premium gas for my BMW and now I'm calculating less than $500 a year for electricity.
Plus my insurance is $200 a year less and the BMW tags are just over $500 a year and the Focus is only $37.
So I may not have a European luxury car anymore but I really love this Focus and love the savings and it looks pretty cool too. I'm one happy camper. :D
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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Wed May 22, 2013 3:36 pm

Jasper7821 wrote:I was a little worried not being able to charge at 6.6kw from the $1,000 station with shipping but now that I know I can get a lot of extra miles by braking I'm totally fine charging at 5.5kw.
5.5 kW? The LCS-25 is actually a 4.8 kW device. ClipperCreek advertises it as such on their website.

And this makes sense as the LCS-25 operates at 20 amps (despite the "25" in the name) on 240 volts. The wattage is easily computed:

240 volts * 20 amps = 4.8 kW

It also makes sense that it takes just about 5 hours to charge an empty FFE using the LCS-25:

19.5 kWh (charge) / 0.8 (typical charging efficiency) = 24.4 kWh (total required)

24.4 kWh / 4.8 kW = ~5 hours

Is this what you see too?
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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Wed May 22, 2013 3:43 pm

Jasper7821 wrote:Worked great and the J1772 handle was just a tad stiffer than the station the car came with but totally easy to insert and remove.
Thanks. Interesting. I would say my LCS-25 was way more than a "tad" sniffer. I had someone else try it and he was scared that he might be damaging things he had to push/pull so hard.
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Re: What are you using for a charging station?

Wed May 22, 2013 9:42 pm

WattsUp wrote:
Jasper7821 wrote:I was a little worried not being able to charge at 6.6kw from the $1,000 station with shipping but now that I know I can get a lot of extra miles by braking I'm totally fine charging at 5.5kw.
5.5 kW? The LCS-25 is actually a 4.8 kW device. ClipperCreek advertises it as such on their website.

And this makes sense as the LCS-25 operates at 20 amps (despite the "25" in the name) on 240 volts. The wattage is easily computed:

240 volts * 20 amps = 4.8 kW

It also makes sense that it takes just about 5 hours to charge an empty FFE using the LCS-25:

19.5 kWh (charge) * 0.8 (typical charging efficiency) = 24.4 kWh (total required)

24.4 kWh / 4.8 kW = ~5 hours

Is this what you see too?
Ok thanks, I thought somewhere it said it was 5.5
Oh we'll, I thought it would charge it faster but I'll live with it for the low price.

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