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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:01 pm

SyrinxTemple wrote:
scottt wrote:
What's the price on the 2014?
They're asking 10K.
Thats pretty good if its in good condition and the mileage isn't too high. Might need new tires?
2014 Ford Focus Electric - Oxford White, Cloth Seats (Lease ended 9/28/2017)

TAMU_FFE
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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:00 am

SyrinxTemple wrote:
scottt wrote:
What's the price on the 2014?
They're asking 10K.
You can get a brand new 2017 for about $14,000 after the tax credit. I think the range and equity position make it a better buy. I had mine transported from California to Texas for about $650

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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:23 am

SyrinxTemple wrote:
scottt wrote:
What's the price on the 2014?
They're asking 10K.
Too high.
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2017 Kona Blue FFE (aka King Kona) - Current

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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:08 pm

Yeah, I'll agree that $10,000 is a little high for a 2014. $8-9,000 is a more fair price.

Honestly, mileage is irrelevant in these cars, they aren't driven very far. With the low range in the battery, you can't drive hundreds of miles a day - so they just can't accumulate a lot of miles. The battery isn't affected by mileage either. There is a lot of debate about battery degradation on this forum. Personally, with three FFE's under my belt, I think the degradation is a myth. Haven't seen that problem in any of my cars. Unlike the issues with Leafs that had real live big problems with battery degradation. And there is no way for you to figure out if the battery is degraded on a car you are about to buy (yes you could demand a draw down test, but if I were trying to sell you the car I'd jack the price up a grand for you being a pr..., and most likely walk away from selling you the car).

The only thing you really have to inspect is the tires. Make sure they are all four the same. And look at the tread depth. About the worst you'll have to spend is for a set of replacement tires - count about $500. And you might need a 12V battery - another $100. All the rest of the stuff mentioned is warranty / recall work that is free at a Ford dealership.

There really were no major bear traps in an FFE.
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2013 Ingot Silver FFE
2012 Titanium ICE Focus
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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:32 pm

TAMU_FFE wrote:
You can get a brand new 2017 for about $14,000 after the tax credit. I think the range and equity position make it a better buy. I had mine transported from California to Texas for about $650
I don't think you can find them that low. Well maybe close. When I was shopping for mine a few weeks ago, I literally called 20+ dealers within a 200 mi radius, and couldn't get that low on a purchase. Granted I was looking for the leather interior ($1080 extra), but the best I could do was get a dealer to match a price on a car from Sonoma County (which included a rebate that you could only get in Sonoma County). This avoided me the hassle of having to get my mom who lives up there to co-sign in order to get that price. Even at that, the purchase price wouldn't have been as good as the lease price. The best post tax credit purchase price I could muster was about $16800 (which included CA state $2500 rebate and $500 PG&E). The lease deal I did instead makes the car $15500 if I decide to buy it at lease end. I thought this was the better option since it gives me an out in case of battery degradation. I suppose if I didn't want the leather interior this would be $14400.

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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:25 am

That's crazy that the lease price is cheaper than a buy price!?!?
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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:34 am

tkdbrusco wrote:
TAMU_FFE wrote:
You can get a brand new 2017 for about $14,000 after the tax credit. I think the range and equity position make it a better buy. I had mine transported from California to Texas for about $650
I don't think you can find them that low. Well maybe close. When I was shopping for mine a few weeks ago, I literally called 20+ dealers within a 200 mi radius, and couldn't get that low on a purchase. Granted I was looking for the leather interior ($1080 extra), but the best I could do was get a dealer to match a price on a car from Sonoma County (which included a rebate that you could only get in Sonoma County). This avoided me the hassle of having to get my mom who lives up there to co-sign in order to get that price. Even at that, the purchase price wouldn't have been as good as the lease price. The best post tax credit purchase price I could muster was about $16800 (which included CA state $2500 rebate and $500 PG&E). The lease deal I did instead makes the car $15500 if I decide to buy it at lease end. I thought this was the better option since it gives me an out in case of battery degradation. I suppose if I didn't want the leather interior this would be $14400.
Prices should be better than that. My 2015 (non leather) was $15,389.99 after rebates, VA tax, plates, stupid dealer $299 processing fee, and $7500 credit. VA does not have a state credit, so in CA you should be able to do better than that (yes, I know CA tax is twice VA's)
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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:14 pm

scottt wrote:
tkdbrusco wrote:
TAMU_FFE wrote:
You can get a brand new 2017 for about $14,000 after the tax credit. I think the range and equity position make it a better buy. I had mine transported from California to Texas for about $650
I don't think you can find them that low. Well maybe close. When I was shopping for mine a few weeks ago, I literally called 20+ dealers within a 200 mi radius, and couldn't get that low on a purchase. Granted I was looking for the leather interior ($1080 extra), but the best I could do was get a dealer to match a price on a car from Sonoma County (which included a rebate that you could only get in Sonoma County). This avoided me the hassle of having to get my mom who lives up there to co-sign in order to get that price. Even at that, the purchase price wouldn't have been as good as the lease price. The best post tax credit purchase price I could muster was about $16800 (which included CA state $2500 rebate and $500 PG&E). The lease deal I did instead makes the car $15500 if I decide to buy it at lease end. I thought this was the better option since it gives me an out in case of battery degradation. I suppose if I didn't want the leather interior this would be $14400.
Prices should be better than that. My 2015 (non leather) was $15,389.99 after rebates, VA tax, plates, stupid dealer $299 processing fee, and $7500 credit. VA does not have a state credit, so in CA you should be able to do better than that (yes, I know CA tax is twice VA's)
it was the best I could do. Trusts me. I tried very hard and shopped e-Golf, Bolt, etc... Keep in mind that yours is a 2015 and doesn't have the larger pack. There may have been bigger incentives to move those and lower costs to manufacturing them. The same was true with the Leaf when they moved to the larger pack.

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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:03 pm

I see a private party used 2015 FFE listing in my area, but they want $15,500, has 29,518 mi!
They must not be aware of the proper price range, since also in my area a Ford dealer has a certified used 2015 FFE listed for $11,833 and it only has 14,121 mi.
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Re: FFE buying noob, need help

Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:59 pm

My local dealer has a 2016 with ~10,000 miles for $13K.

https://www.colleyford.com/inventory/Us ... 8GL315437/

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GONE - 2015 FFE, Magnetic with leather interior, debadged & tinted
38,500 miles (since May 2015), average 246 Wh/mile

REPLACED WITH - 2018 Tesla Model3, LR RWD, Obsidian Black
11,000 miles (since Nov 2018), average 235 Wh/mile

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