2017 Focus electric 100-Mile Range, DC Fast Charging
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jmueller065
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Hey its something Ford did something! whoo hoo
yeah it isn't 200 miles like the Bolt but Ford is making a minor investment in the car ! LOL
Frankly I'm astonished.
yeah it isn't 200 miles like the Bolt but Ford is making a minor investment in the car ! LOL
Frankly I'm astonished.
jmueller065
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This calls for a blog post:
https://spareelectrons.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/do-i-believe-my-eyes/
(Note I included the video Ford posted on it in the post..for what its worth...)
https://spareelectrons.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/do-i-believe-my-eyes/
(Note I included the video Ford posted on it in the post..for what its worth...)
michael
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Sorry Ford. Not nearly enough FFE is a great little car and very well appointed. But 100 miles won't do the job in 2017
NightHawk
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Sounds like Ford is just trying to upgrade the FFE to be similar to the current upgraded Nissan Leaf capabilities?
But they will be 2 years late by 2017, they need to shoot for at least 150mile range by then.
Sep 2017 is when my current 2014 FFE 3 year lease will end, so an upgraded model by for 2017-2018 would be nice, but next time I want to buy and will only do that for a longer range model.
But they will be 2 years late by 2017, they need to shoot for at least 150mile range by then.
Sep 2017 is when my current 2014 FFE 3 year lease will end, so an upgraded model by for 2017-2018 would be nice, but next time I want to buy and will only do that for a longer range model.
RPadTV
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It's sad that Ford is doing the bare minimum. When my FFE lease is up in 2017, I'm looking to buy a BEV. Right now, Ford doesn't have any compelling options.
jmueller065
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Now a 2nd post with more thoughts:
https://spareelectrons.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/more-thoughts-on-fords-minimal-announcement/
I think Ford really doesn't mind being behind and since they only sell 100 or so FFE's a month I bet they will continue to sell 100 or so 2017 FFE's a month even when there are other options with greater range.
The other interesting thing: those 12 other electrified vehicles? most likely hybrids and plugin hybrids. They already have one to announce at the Detroit Auto show: (from this Inside EVs article)
I think their guess is right: This is the next Fusion Energi (since the Fusion line is due for a refresh).
Hopefully it will have a longer electric range than 20 miles (it'd be really nice if they were competitive and gave it the same 50 mile EV range as the Volt).
Ah yup: Read this Detroit News article on it: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2015/12/10/ford-invest-electric-car-research/77113944/
That last quote from a Ford person:
https://spareelectrons.wordpress.com/2015/12/11/more-thoughts-on-fords-minimal-announcement/
I think Ford really doesn't mind being behind and since they only sell 100 or so FFE's a month I bet they will continue to sell 100 or so 2017 FFE's a month even when there are other options with greater range.
The other interesting thing: those 12 other electrified vehicles? most likely hybrids and plugin hybrids. They already have one to announce at the Detroit Auto show: (from this Inside EVs article)
I think their guess is right: This is the next Fusion Energi (since the Fusion line is due for a refresh).
Hopefully it will have a longer electric range than 20 miles (it'd be really nice if they were competitive and gave it the same 50 mile EV range as the Volt).
Ah yup: Read this Detroit News article on it: http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2015/12/10/ford-invest-electric-car-research/77113944/
That last quote from a Ford person:
hybridbear
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I agree with your blog post comment that Ford is perfectly happy selling ~100 Focus Electrics per month. The comment at the end of the Detroit News article really shows that.jmueller065 said:
Overall, much ado about nothing.
redcelt007
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I was a little disappointed also about the 100 mile range, but the DC fast charging might make up for that.
FORD also has a battery pack that never seems to lose capacity. With 100 mile range, Fast Charging and a long life battery it should do very well. Everyday commuting is perfect. I didn't read where the Air Cond and Heater are more efficient heat pumps? That would also help the range a lot in hot or cold.
The battery should be good for at least 20 years at 80% or better capacity. My 2013 has 3 HOT Phoenix summers and 22K miles and has not lost any capacity.
The battery should be good for at least 20 years at 80% or better capacity. My 2013 has 3 HOT Phoenix summers and 22K miles and has not lost any capacity.
michael
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jstack6 said:
I absolutely disagree with that statement. Mine is down to just above 15 kWh usable at 48,000 miles and 26 months in service.
Idaho National labs tests show approximately 10% capacity fade at 12,000 miles and 1 year of service.
What is your basis for that claim? How exactly are you measuring it? Looks to me like the Ford battery fades just like every other lithium battery.
michael
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E Focused said:
That's a fact.
They hate it because it's a compliance car. I like it because it's on a proven platform and looks like a real car.
They hate it because it has blended brakes. I like it because the brakes feel pretty much like the brakes on every other car.
They hate it because it has too many buttons. I like it because I can do most of what's needed without scrolling through a bunch of screens.
Ok...now here's my dream....the car under the shroud is a 200 mile Fusion!!
Pleasepleaseplease make it so....
awefulspeller
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Ford,
Please offer a battery pack extension or upgrade for current FFE owners in order to provide a sense of pride in their purchases!!! If not, word-of-mouth conversations from owners of the first version of FFE will be something like, "I should have waited" and "I'll never buy a ICE car again, and my next purchase will be an EV that will give me the most milage for my buck, regardless of who makes it".
Please offer a battery pack extension or upgrade for current FFE owners in order to provide a sense of pride in their purchases!!! If not, word-of-mouth conversations from owners of the first version of FFE will be something like, "I should have waited" and "I'll never buy a ICE car again, and my next purchase will be an EV that will give me the most milage for my buck, regardless of who makes it".
jmueller065
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Nope, never going to happen. Has any OEM offered an upgrade to any car (e.g. "hey we came out with a brand new engine, for $2000 we'll put it in your 5 year old car").awefulspeller said:
Of course the exception to that is software updates (My Ford Touch, Tesla, Chrysler's uConnect, Cadillac's Cue, etc.).
In all cases the upgrade path is: buy a new car.
michael
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That is a key reason to lease rather than buy.
jmueller065
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Only Tesla. Don't expect ANY other OEM to behave that way.wrongway said:
michael
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On the Rav 4 EV board, Tony Williams is contemplating offering battery upgrades to the RAV, up to a total of 70 kWh, plus a DCQC upgrade.
http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1734
But I do agree, best plan is to get the next generation of cars. And of course he's not the OEM, he's an aftermarket modifier.
http://www.myrav4ev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1734
But I do agree, best plan is to get the next generation of cars. And of course he's not the OEM, he's an aftermarket modifier.
awefulspeller
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jmueller065 said:
Good point. Ford is a bunch of followers, like sheep.
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