I am concerned about the survivability of the Ford EV. I see no FFE's for sale in the Auto section of the paper. my dealer has none. I live in Massachusetts. Is this cause for concern? I want the world to enjoy this magnificent car as much as I do.
pjam3 said:And honestly, if Tesla does make a car for under $40K that is just as nice as the Model S, none of these other companies are going to be able to compete. At least not with what they have now.
michael said:pjam3 said:And honestly, if Tesla does make a car for under $40K that is just as nice as the Model S, none of these other companies are going to be able to compete. At least not with what they have now.
I don't think Tesla is likely to be able to make a comparable car as cheaply as a major manufacturer. The Model S has a stripped-to-the bone base price of over $71,000 before tax credit (and that's with cloth seats....they call them "textile"). A well equipped one will go for around $90K. They are VERY expensive cars, comparable to BMW, Mercedes, etc.
pjam3 said:A few years back the assumption was the Model S would be around $50K. They didn't come close.
jloucks said:pjam3 said:A few years back the assumption was the Model S would be around $50K. They didn't come close.
Now that you mention it, I remember the possible $50,000 Tesla. Lol, yea, not even close.
EVA said:Sorry Pjam, I'll disagree with you about the Tesla. It is a $100,000 car. It compares very nicely with a Mercedes S class or BMW 7 series. Those cars bump the $100,000 area. Tesla did a fantastic job at matching the style, options, and luxury level of those other cars.
Don't know when you priced a Lambo last, but $100,000 doesn't get you even in the door anymore.
Tesla did have a lower end model with a small battery. I can't remember what it cost, but it wasn't all that far north of $50,000 (I might have been counting state rebates and tax incentives to get to that number). They dropped that model because nobody was buying the smaller battery. And if you read that great article about the guy doing his East Coast trip, he pines for the larger range battery and how he shouldn't have made that compromise when he bought the car.
EVA said:Tesla did have a lower end model with a small battery. I can't remember what it cost, but it wasn't all that far north of $50,000 (I might have been counting state rebates and tax incentives to get to that number). They dropped that model because nobody was buying the smaller battery. And if you read that great article about the guy doing his East Coast trip, he pines for the larger range battery and how he shouldn't have made that compromise when he bought the car.
michael said:After all adjustments, discounts, government money, etc. my FFE cost less than $26K (capitalized basis for the lease). Add $1K for the EVSE, and the all-in cost is about $27K.
For the cost of decently equipped Tesla, one could buy three FFE's.
I stopped by the local Tesla store a few days ago. Things that we got "included" in the FFE are extra cost options on the Tesla. You want Sirius radio? Backup camera/sensors? Such things are all options. And you can't even lease it...it's purchase only.
The Tesla looks great, I'd love to have one, but it is totally in the luxury price range. The FFE is one step lower in capability, but vastly less expensive.
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