qflyer
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Keep the FFE or move on?

Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:41 pm

I've posted a few reviews of my 2012 FFE over the years, and it's time to start thinking about what's next.

I currently have 104,000 miles on the car. As I've mentioned in my previous posts, battery degradation is starting to become an issue with my and my wife's commute to work. I previously posted that I thought we could make it work til 120,000 miles or so, and everything still looks like that's an accurate guesstimate.

Considering maintenance, cost of gas and electricity, plus initial savings on purchase price, I will have saved roughly $9,000-$10,000 with the FFE over an equivalent ICE car. So despite the occasional range frustrations, I think the FFE has been a fairly successful experiment. I don't think the car will work for us by winter of 2020 due to range loss.

Options I'd consider:
Keep the FFE for short trips to the store and whatnot, but buy a new daily driver. Probably a Model 3, Niro, Bolt, Leaf etc $35,000-$45,000 price range. I don't see any reason to sell the FFE. It's virtually worthless at this point.

Buy a new FFE battery and keep on driving it. No new car needed. This is actually my preference, but the current list price of a new battery is insane. Roughly $20,000. Looking at current battery costs, I don't see why Ford can't sell a 33kw battery in the 5-7 thousand range. Assuming that would get me another 150,000 or more miles, it seems like the best option but only if Ford or another company offers the new battery at a reasonable price. The other concern is whether or not the rest of the car will remain reliable for another 150,000 miles or more. That would put me close to 300,000 miles. I've had a few ICE vehicles make it that far, but what about electric? So far, the FFE hasn't had a single problem. Only trips to the dealership have been for recalls.

Anyways, what would y'all do? Any ideas other than the two I listed?

scottt
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Fri Dec 13, 2019 6:29 am

How bad is your range now?
2015 Magnetic FFE (aka Magneto) - Retired
2017 Kona Blue FFE (aka King Kona) - Current

Silverrabbit1954
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:04 am

Personally, if I lived in one of the 12 states that Hyundai Iqonic Electric 2020 with 170 miles , I would just get another cheap lease. They had 2019 with 124 mile range for $79 on east coast. Pretty cheap transportation! My wife and I are getting a RAV4 hybrid when lease up on Honda Clarity electric in a year. If purchase, Model 3 Standard Plus is hard to beat. A car on a different plane! Supercharger network tips in their favor.

Silver Rabbit

Chevrolet Impala 2017
Focus Electric 2017
Honda Clarity Electric 2017

My miles have been trouble free so far as well. Electric seems so much more reliable. Yet for some reason, just like looks and drive of the Focus. Cheap to insure. If involved in serious accident, just totaled due to $20,000 battery pack.

kalel14
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:50 am

There isn't a lot to break on an electric car. The concern would be when something electric-only did break, will Ford still make the part. This is a low volume car and the mandate to make parts available for vehicles is a myth. Also keep in mind that the battery pack has to be installed and that won't be cheap.

I have a 1970 Chevelle I've pwned for over 30 years, but I can buy almost any part I need for it.

rowekmr
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Wed Dec 18, 2019 8:39 pm

To the OP what about buying a battery from a lower mile wrecked FFE? They do come through the insurance auctions. Could you retro fit a newer battery to yours or would you rather have the same capacity battery?

EVERY DETAIL
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:11 pm

Just to chime in on the "buy a salvage one and swap the battery" topic. As of January 2020 the pricing on a salvage FFE is:

2012-2016: $4,000
2017-2018: $14,000

Those prices don't take into consideration the fees added by iaai or copart not to mention the labor required if you don't plan on doing the swap yourself. It's a tough situation. Someone needs to retrofit Tesla 18650 cells and 150 mile range seems reasonable.

rowekmr
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:44 am

It's kinda of hard to predict selling prices at auction for Focus EV. Factors such as location, damage and when the auction occurs influences the final price but that is a good generous range
FYI the last 2017 I followed sold for 10.6K with minimal body damage but airbags blown
The 2012 I bought (listed as non runner) was less than 4k with mininal body damage (2 holes in roof). It was listed as non runner because there were no keys so that influenced the price (lower).
There's a 2017 going up soon prebidding at 5900 and the reserve is met. If anyone is interested in the auction cars I have access and the cheapest fees since we are in the industry.

triangles
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:57 pm

EVERY DETAIL wrote:
Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:11 pm
Someone needs to retrofit Tesla 18650 cells and 150 mile range seems reasonable.
The problem with using Tesla modules with 18650 cells is that they come in 6 groups of cells in series which does not divide evenly into the FFE's battery has a configuration of 86 groups of cells in series. The best you could do is 14 Tesla modules but that only gives you 84 groups of cells in series. Unless it is possible to reprogram the factory SOBDM it will over charge the Tesla batteries and likely result in an expensive fireworks display. Alternatively if you use 15 tesla modules you'd have 90 in series and the SOBDM would under charge the battery. Unless there are economically viable cells that can be used to make a pack with 86 groups in series there is a great deal of re-engineering many of the basic subsystems that would be required to accommodate a different pack voltage.

Someday I hope to be able to re-build my pack by simply swapping in higher density cells.
2014 Blue Candy FFE
http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/focus/2014/triangles/303811 (since this forum doesn't allow BBcode in sigs)

Fat Focus
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:53 am

If for one can't wait to move on. Not because the Focus isn't good, it's just fine for basic transportation. I just want something bigger and faster. I like the Mach E, but probably would rather have an electric F150. I still owe $14k on my Focus, so probably a year and a half out from buying something new.
2018 Focus Electric
2013 GT350 Supercharged Widebody Convertible
1999 F250 7.3 Crew Cab 6-Speed 4x4
1964 Falcon Convertible 289 4-Speed

LesalChampu
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Re: Keep the FFE or move on?

Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:39 pm

If it were me, I'd buy a new model and keep the old one for sentimental value, or it's up to you. You can sell it too. A great tool may also use to maintain your car's performance, try Autel Maxisys MS906bt https://theeffectiveguide.com/best-obd2 ... t-reviews/ for an upgraded scanner experience.
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