SteveMat
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Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Fri Oct 12, 2018 8:26 am

So, I have 5 days to decide if I want to keep it. I was thinking of taking to the dealership and have them do a PPI of a sort and tell me the health of the battery. I do have a Bluetooth ODBII adapter so installed the ForScan app on my Surface and connected up. Problem is, I don't know really what I am looking at. So yesterday I did a full charge and drove 19.6 Miles, this morning, I plugged up and pulled these numbers. So %100-%62.87=%37.13. So takes 37% of the battery to go 19.6 Miles? What is a better way of determining the "health"/capacity of the battery?

Also, is BATTAGEBECM accurate, show 38 months even though car has build date of 11/2011. Was it replaced at some point or was an update applied 38 months ago that reset everything?

Love the car so far, primarily will be used by my upcoming kids to run around locally for the next couple years.

AVERTEMP(°C)
25

BATCURBECM(Amper)
0.82

BATTAGEBECM( )
38

BAT_CHA_DISPL(%)
66.50

BAT_PACK_VOLT(Volt)
337.63

H_BATT_CHAR(%)
62.87

TOTALDIST(km)
22622.0

:)

SteveMat
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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:04 am

So, in ForScan I found BAT_TO_EMPTY_ESTIM(kWh) and it is at 12.066.

I was going to go out and drive it down to almost empty just to see how many miles (has been mix of city and interstate so far with the AC on) and then look at BAT_TO_EMPTY_ESTIM(kWh)?

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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:23 pm

Note that all those estimates are just that: estimates. The displayed range-to-empty is what is commonly called the "guess o meter" and can drastically change based on your driving style/habits.

If you want to see how much battery is available you'll want to do a rundown test:
  • Charge it to full
  • Turn on the enhanced trip meter and reset one of the trips
  • Open all the windows and turn the heat on hi
  • leave it run like that until the battery is at 0%
  • the trip meter will tell you how many kWh was consumed (if its around 17kWh or so you have a pretty good battery)
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SteveMat
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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:34 pm

So, ran the battery down to a displayed 0%, ForScan showed H_BATT_CHAR %7.90 so guess that is the bottom buffer. Trip Meter for 60 miles showed 15.8 KWH. As mentioned this was with mostly interstate driving (~75% of it running the AC most of the time and some heat).

Did a full charge and ForScan shows BAT_TO_EMPTY_ESTIM 17.546 kWh and H_BATT_CHAR 89.12 % Hybrid Battery State of Charge and assume this is the top end buffer?

With all that said, seems the battery has the life should expect for 6 years old? Was going to take to the dealer to check out, are they going to tell me anything different (aka should bother)?

I can return car up to Monday so debating? Collective thoughts on how long the battery will be “decent”?

carbuff
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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:13 pm

SteveMat wrote:So, ran the battery down to a displayed 0%, ForScan showed H_BATT_CHAR %7.90 so guess that is the bottom buffer. Trip Meter for 60 miles showed 15.8 KWH. As mentioned this was with mostly interstate driving (~75% of it running the AC most of the time and some heat).

Did a full charge and ForScan shows BAT_TO_EMPTY_ESTIM 17.546 kWh and H_BATT_CHAR 89.12 % Hybrid Battery State of Charge and assume this is the top end buffer?

With all that said, seems the battery has the life should expect for 6 years old? Was going to take to the dealer to check out, are they going to tell me anything different (aka should bother)?

I can return car up to Monday so debating? Collective thoughts on how long the battery will be “decent”?
I dont think battery degradation will be your big problem. It will be the first time you get a ssn out of warranty and Ford wants 2 grand to fix it. Or when your ac goes out and they want 1500 to fix it even though it is needed to cool the battery but its not covered. The 8 year coverage is very specific to what it covers.

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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:32 am

carbuff wrote: I dont think battery degradation will be your big problem. It will be the first time you get a ssn out of warranty and Ford wants 2 grand to fix it. Or when your ac goes out and they want 1500 to fix it even though it is needed to cool the battery but its not covered. The 8 year coverage is very specific to what it covers.
That is if he gets a stop safely now. That is the big risk: There are quite a few people (well yeah ok what "hundreds" ! LOL) that had FFE's without an issue vs the few that had persistent problems. Will he be one of the hundreds or one of the few? That is the real risk.

I put about 30k and change miles on ours without any serious issues (it drained the 12V battery once..that was it).

14k miles is kind of low for a 2012 (the first model year of the FFE) not sure if that is a good or bad thing.
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SteveMat
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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:40 am

So, this did come from CarMax and they offered a 5 year / 75K mile warranty that covers everything but the battery for pretty inexpensive. Normally I’m not keen on these 3rd party warranties but figured the risk maybe worth it?

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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:46 am

Depends..how much are you paying for the car?
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SteveMat
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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:18 am

13K, I’m east coast so supply is a little more limited

carbuff
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Re: Purchased a new to me 2012 FFE with 14K Miles

Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:33 am

SteveMat wrote:So, this did come from CarMax and they offered a 5 year / 75K mile warranty that covers everything but the battery for pretty inexpensive. Normally I’m not keen on these 3rd party warranties but figured the risk maybe worth it?
If the 5 year coverage is that comprehensive then you cant go wrong. The problem is that these cars can only really be fixed by the dealer for anything electrical related. If the warranty is kinda generic it will list tons of stuff that is covered that does not apply to your car and may consider all the modules and computer stuff to be part of "the battery" I would look over that warranty carefully to make sure it covers things like the ac system and computer modules. As to jmueller's point, even the easily fixed problems that arent persistant, are still very expensive on this car out of warranty. Like $500 to apply a software update or even more to replace the modem as its not covered any more for free. Make sure all of the recall and customer satisfaction actions have been performed on this car. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, just trying to help. And, yeah, how much is the car? LOL.

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