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Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:29 pm
by Twinstangs
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ily-clean/

Like I said, they are as clean as the power source. Yes, there is some impact from the batteries, but improved technology is whittling away at that impact. There are some smug tree-huggers who think their car don't stink at all, but the CO2 and other emmissions are just transferred to a power plant, usually someplace else. Smart people know the difference. That is why we spent the money to install our power system so we are generating zero emissions power for our FFE.

Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:42 pm
by Jon_h
I did the math for Michigan. 40% CO2 savings on our dirty grid.

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Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:46 pm
by Jon_h
Even from coal source, a BEV breaks roughly even with an ICE car on CO2. Nowhere in the US is 100% coal, and coal is plummeting. Stop spreading untruths.

http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/fil ... report.pdf

Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:47 pm
by Twinstangs
You can print out your window sticker as long as you have your VIN (assuming you do since you have the car ;) ). There are a bunch of websites that link back to Ford, like this one: http://mcmahonford.com/Look-Up-Window-Sticker/
Simply type in your VIN and hit the button.
Tried it. Got:

Please check back later.
The window sticker has not yet been
released for this vehicle.

Found http://researchmaniacs.com/VIN-Number-L ... /Ford.html, same negative results. :-(

Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:18 pm
by triangles
:lol: My FFE is 37% nuclear!
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Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:05 pm
by Twinstangs
Thanks cutler03gt for all your information!

Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:53 am
by cutler03gt
Twinstangs wrote:Thanks cutler03gt for all your information!
My pleasure.

Happy our old FFE got good home.

Let us know how Earth Day goes.

Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:19 am
by amped
Jon_h wrote:I did the math for Michigan. 40% CO2 savings on our dirty grid.
At first glance that doesn't seem like a full life cycle analysis. Including mining/drilling/refining/transportation etc. emissions and line losses etc. would probably change the numbers but you'd likely get a qualitatively similar result.

UCS's analysis ( http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/fil ... ummary.pdf ) would suggest that your calculation is optimistic. OTOH, the grid emissions factors data they used for that report were from 2012, IIRC. Carbon intensity has probably improved since then. Southern Co., the major energy producer in my neck of the woods, has cut its carbon intensity by ~25% over the last decade (most of that between 2007-2012).

Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:43 am
by jmueller065
In Michigan (at least Southeastern MI) the local providers have been putting large solar installations all over, and there are a few big wind farms up in the thumb.

Re: Putting our FFE in Earth Day festival - advice?

Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:53 am
by cutler03gt
I'd love to have solar on my roof at some point, but with the amount of overcast we get, it doesn't seem to practical.