triangles
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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:59 pm

I'm curious to know what kind of winter range (-10C or colder) you get with a mention of how much heat you use.
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pcph
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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:20 pm

I'll have a chance to test that more thoroughly this week, as temperatures will dip below 0 for a day or 2. So far my experience with cold (0C) was that the moment I hit the auto climate control button (temp set to 20C) I lose about 40 km of range on the estimate display. During this morning's trip, it appears that I lost about 5 km of range to climate control (used heat sparingly, turning it on twice for a few minutes throughout the 30 minute trip).

I find this car's information displays lacking in regards to actual information on what uses power and how much. The Chevy Bolt has much better displays, showing the number of kWh used by the drivetrain and heating separately. I wish I could see more detailed information.

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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:03 am

Beautiful car. I will be interested to follow your progress.

I tend to like to make bold lifestyle changes. I live in a townhouse with underground parking, and have no access to L1 or L2 charging at home. I plan to try to exist mostly on public charging when my FFE arrives, to see how it goes. I don't typically drive to work (bike or transit have been my preference, although owning a non-fossil-fuel vehicle might change that) but I can charge there if I find it is necessary. I also have a membership with a local car co-op, so I can drive an ICE for longer trips if I really have to. (I know: Boooo!)

I also like to have excuses to slow down my life. I have scouted out some charging stations nearby that are close to businesses (mall, coffee shop, ...) that I already frequent, and my minimal driving should mean that I can get away with an hour here, an hour there. It would be nice if quick chargers weren't out in the boonies, but I suppose this will improve over time.

I am not opposed to paying for energy, of course. If I have to, I might look into getting something installed downstairs, but the rules around getting things set up with a strata are quite intimidating, and I'm not sure that the frugality of the other owners here will allow the required votes to pass.

I would prefer to put my efforts into somehow helping to improve the public infrastructure. There are a lot of people around here living in a similar living situation, and EV sales are not going to pick up if they can't keep their ride going.
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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:24 am

ghiebert wrote:Beautiful car. I will be interested to follow your progress.
Hey thanks! As I said before, charging this thing is SLOW. You better have a lot of free time if you're planning on charging a lot at public locations, like a previous poster who plays with his drone for hours. I don't particularly wish for fast DC chargers to be installed in the city, as the manual says that fast charging should be used sparingly, because that may affect the life of the battery. Read : using fast charging will quicken the degradation of the battery capacity. So definitely don't quick charge every week.

Installing a 110V outlet by your car can't be that difficult. I understand the difficulty of installing 220 hardware, but it shouldn't be that hard to get a standard wall plug! I feel that with my light usage and yours, a 110 plug might be enough, and for those cases where you need more, you use public charging. But at least that 110 plug would serve 99% of your needs. That's my situation right now, but I do feel the need to install 220 hardware at my home to remove any risk. Going to try a 220 plug at the dealer today to see how quickly it charges.

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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:16 am

pcph wrote:Going to try a 220 plug at the dealer today to see how quickly it charges.
In general using a Level 2 EVSE will charge an FFE about 4x faster than a Level 1 (120V @ 12A). It isn't exactly 4x but you can use 4x as a pretty good estimate.
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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:39 am

pcph wrote:I don't particularly wish for fast DC chargers to be installed in the city, as the manual says that fast charging should be used sparingly, because that may affect the life of the battery.
Yes, I saw that. But I don't believe everything I read. I'd prefer to find out through experimentation (even if it is a very expensive end result. :D )
Installing a 110V outlet by your car can't be that difficult. I understand the difficulty of installing 220 hardware, but it shouldn't be that hard to get a standard wall plug!
It's not a difficulty with hardware. I'd pay for it myself anyway, and I'd probably prefer a dryer plug and a portable J1772 that I can lock up when not in use. The problem is that making changes to common property in a strata requires working with management as well as a 3/4 vote of the owners. A lot of legwork, which I hope to avoid if I can.

Besides that, there's the (fun) challenge of living off the public system. Public L2s are reasonably common around here and should be sufficient given the current level of EV adoption. (This is not unlike when I challenged myself to start taking transit twelve years ago instead of driving 20 km to work, or started biking that 20 km as much as possible for the past eight years. I think I've also challenged myself in ways not related to commuting, although I don't remember what those would be.)

As I wait for my EV to arrive, I'm putting myself into a training mode of sorts. I reset my Civic's trip meter to get a feel for how far I'm driving. When the trip meter gets too high, I have to park near an EV station long enough to clear it out.
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triangles
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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:35 am

pcph wrote:I'll have a chance to test that more thoroughly this week, as temperatures will dip below 0 for a day or 2. So far my experience with cold (0C) was that the moment I hit the auto climate control button (temp set to 20C) I lose about 40 km of range on the estimate display. During this morning's trip, it appears that I lost about 5 km of range to climate control (used heat sparingly, turning it on twice for a few minutes throughout the 30 minute trip).

I find this car's information displays lacking in regards to actual information on what uses power and how much. The Chevy Bolt has much better displays, showing the number of kWh used by the drivetrain and heating separately. I wish I could see more detailed information.
I'm not sure if the 2017 has it but on my 2014 you can configure under one of the custom screens that the trip meter displays that will show you how many kW are being used by the climate control. Also you can configure the trip meter to show how many kWh have been used from the battery since you last reset the trip meter. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think this takes into account regen put back in the battery from braking. I agree more info would be nice but find the kWh used on the trip meter a helpful supplement to the GOM in gauging how much range I really have left.

FYI cracking a window helps keep the windows from fogging or at least delays it. I've often wondered if cracking a window and using heat on recirculation is more efficient than having the heater heat the outside air. Seems like it would be but I can't think of an accurate way to test this.

In my 2014 last month I was able to make a 90km trip at -6C and I had about 22km left on the GOM when I got to my destination. I had used a go time to preheat the car in my heated garage. I only used the climate controls for about 3-5 minutes to help clear the windows when I could almost no longer see in front of me about 15-20min into my trip. Otherwise I had a chinesium 12 "heater" fan that I set on the dash to keep a peep hole clear on the windshield. The heating element died about 10 minutes into the trip. From the start I left the passenger window cracked about 4-6mm to help with window fogging. With the window cracked it takes about 20-30minutes for the temp/humidity to equalize enough for the windows to clear. I found that if I bundled up properly to keep warm and use a little seat heating cracking a window was enough to keep the windows clear and myself comfortable 90% of the time. But then again I ride motorcycles in winter so I guess I have a higher tolerance for cold environments than most people.
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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:52 am

triangles wrote:I'm not sure if the 2017 has it but on my 2014 you can configure under one of the custom screens that the trip meter displays that will show you how many kW are being used by the climate control. Also you can configure the trip meter to show how many kWh have been used from the battery since you last reset the trip meter.
Funny that you would say that. I just found that out on my way to work. The one in the trip meter is the best I have found so far to have an idea of how many kWh I am spending.

A 1 hour charge at the dealer pumped back 35 km into the battery. Much better than my L1 at home, think I'll be using this every now and then.

I also have been in "training mode" with my ICE for the past few months, preparing for the style of driving I would need to improve range.

Today I used the heated seats and it seems to barely have an effect on the range. It doesn't make an instant, visible difference on the range estimate and it also barely registers in the accessory power display, which triangles did just mention. Speaking of that display, it is also somewhat useful in telling how much power the heating takes, but it's just approximate values (with bars). I'm an engineer, damn it. I want numbers.

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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:34 pm

Quick update, I noticed that the sticker inside the door says to inflate the tires to 41 psi. I read in other posts that it used to be 38 psi. My car has the same tires as everyone else (Michelin Energy Saver A/S). It appears to be a random change on the 2017 MY???

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Re: New owner of 2017 FFE

Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:30 pm

pcph wrote:It appears to be a random change on the 2017 MY???
What's the curb weight of the 2017?
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