michael
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Re: Woes of winter range

Mon Jan 23, 2017 11:48 am

FWIW....I once drove behind a truck stacked with bales of hay. Little bits of hay were continuously blowing off, so I could observe the wind patterns behind the truck, see the areas in which the bits were still moving forward in the wake.

I formed the impression that the disturbed area (where drafting would be at least somewhat beneficial) extended far enough behind the truck that following at a close-but-safe distance would have some benefit.

If you're going, for example, 65 and there is even a 10 or 15 MPH reduction in the relative wind, that would be noticeable in kWh/mile.
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J_PATT
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Re: Woes of winter range

Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:33 pm

The winter range limits me from doing anything else on the way home from work, like stop at the grocery store. My tire pressure is the 40psi and I drive like an old man to make sure to not use energy unnecessarily. I guess I was shocked that the range is so bad in the winter, I am lucky that we have Public Chargers at my work. The sales brochure never said that when it os <32*f the range will be 20 miles less listed as the average.

The upside is that my FFE has lost so much value in the 6 months that I have had it that I can't get rid of it. It is less than a year old and it went from $32k new to $15k today. One heck of a depreciation curve.
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triangles
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Re: Woes of winter range

Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:44 pm

michael wrote:FWIW....I once drove behind a truck stacked with bales of hay. Little bits of hay were continuously blowing off, so I could observe the wind patterns behind the truck, see the areas in which the bits were still moving forward in the wake.

I formed the impression that the disturbed area (where drafting would be at least somewhat beneficial) extended far enough behind the truck that following at a close-but-safe distance would have some benefit.

If you're going, for example, 65 and there is even a 10 or 15 MPH reduction in the relative wind, that would be noticeable in kWh/mile.
I can tell you from experience, a slight crosswind destroys any benefit of drafting. Found this out when I actually needed every spare electron I could muster.
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campfamily
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Re: Woes of winter range

Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:08 am

J_PATT wrote:
It is less than a year old and it went from $32k new to $15k today. One heck of a depreciation curve.
Not to make you feel any worse, but I seriously doubt you could get even $15K for your year-old car. Here in California, after incentives, you can buy a brand new FFE for about that much or less. Also, keep in mind, the true depreciation curve shouldn't start at MSRP, it should start at your net cost, after discounts and incentives. I figure my 2 year old FFE with 20,000 miles on it is worth about $8,000, maybe $10,000 on a good day. But, calculated from my net cost of around $15K, it's not as bad.

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fbitz777
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Re: Woes of winter range

Sun Jan 29, 2017 3:00 pm

J_PATT wrote: The upside is that my FFE has lost so much value in the 6 months that I have had it that I can't get rid of it. It is less than a year old and it went from $32k new to $15k today. One heck of a depreciation curve.
My 2016 FFE will have close to 20k miles by the time I get the '17FFE in a few months.
I'd be happy if they even offer me 10k for trade-in. I was quoted like 27k for a 17FFE so after fed and state incentives I think it'd be an ok deal
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scottt
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Re: Woes of winter range

Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:23 am

fbitz777 wrote:
J_PATT wrote: The upside is that my FFE has lost so much value in the 6 months that I have had it that I can't get rid of it. It is less than a year old and it went from $32k new to $15k today. One heck of a depreciation curve.
My 2016 FFE will have close to 20k miles by the time I get the '17FFE in a few months.
I'd be happy if they even offer me 10k for trade-in. I was quoted like 27k for a 17FFE so after fed and state incentives I think it'd be an ok deal
$27k for a '17? Ouch! Mine was $22,890 out the door, before Federal incentive. Isn't the $3500 Ford rebate still running on the '17's?
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fbitz777
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Re: Woes of winter range

Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:56 am

rebate was 2750 ; also this is with premium leather and paint

beats the 2014 which I paid 34 k and the 2016 which was close to 30k
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campfamily
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Re: Woes of winter range

Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:03 am

scottt wrote: Mine was $22,890 out the door, before Federal incentive. Isn't the $3500 Ford rebate still running on the '17's?
By "out the door", do you mean after sales tax, tags, doc fees, etc.? I got my car (with leather) for $24,148 before federal/state incentives (MSRP $30,990), but that did not include California sales tax, license, doc fees, tire disposal fees, etc.....added up to a bit over 10% of the sales price.

Keith
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11,000 miles (since Nov 2018), average 235 Wh/mile

scottt
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Re: Woes of winter range

Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:34 am

campfamily wrote:
scottt wrote: Mine was $22,890 out the door, before Federal incentive. Isn't the $3500 Ford rebate still running on the '17's?
By "out the door", do you mean after sales tax, tags, doc fees, etc.? I got my car (with leather) for $24,148 before federal/state incentives (MSRP $30,990), but that did not include California sales tax, license, doc fees, tire disposal fees, etc.....added up to a bit over 10% of the sales price.

Keith
Yep, $22,980 after VA sales tax, stupid dealer $299 processing fee, tags, etc.
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