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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:39 am

Stay tuned. My comparison piece is in the works with direct comparisons.
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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:34 am

Some initial thoughts on selecting the Bolt EV over the competition, including the Model 3: http://www.eastwestbrothersgarage.com/2 ... lt-ev.html
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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:42 pm

So compare the handling and performance and driving experience Bolt vs. FFE. If both had the same range and price which one would you pick?

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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:01 am

damania wrote:So compare the handling and performance and driving experience Bolt vs. FFE. If both had the same range and price which one would you pick?
I have driven both, although not as long in the Bolt as the previous poster, and I'd pick the Bolt. The Bolt has way better acceleration, has comparable handling, and has far more features / technology than our Focus. However, that's to be expected, given that the Bolt is a new design, and the Focus is pretty ancient, in car years. The Bolt looks a bit dorky to me (too high and narrow), but it has more room for passengers and luggage than the Focus. The Bolt is harder to see out of (big blind spot in the rear 3/4).

If something were to happen to my Focus, I'd likely replace it with a Bolt. Meanwhile, though, my FFE is meeting my needs, and it's paid for, so no plans to replace.

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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:59 am

damania wrote:So compare the handling and performance and driving experience Bolt vs. FFE. If both had the same range and price which one would you pick?
More detailed piece on that topic is in the works, but from a handling perspective, the Focus wins. Acceleration goes to the Bolt, no contest.

My brother and I took the Bolt and FFE and drag raced them in an empty lot and the Bolt completely blows away the FFE. In about an eighth-mile distance, the Bolt was between two to three car-lengths ahead every run.
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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:05 am

The Bolt costs $13k more than the FFE. That's a steep jump. For that money I'd much rather have a Model 3.

I am tossing around the idea of getting a M3 or something other than the Focus. The likelihood that I'll miss out on the rebates, plus the lack of lease packages, pushes my monthly bill from $250 ish in a Focus to around $800 ish on a Model 3. That makes it a hard sell. The Focus's lack of modern technology is the only factor steering me away. I considered a Bolt for a second until I saw the price tag.
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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:36 am

Smoking_Rubber wrote:The Bolt costs $13k more than the FFE. That's a steep jump. For that money I'd much rather have a Model 3.
EH? Comparing MSRP, FFE is $29,995 vs Bolt $37,495. Yes, you can option a Bolt up to make it $13K more than a FFE, but that's comparing apples and oranges. One difference is that, depending on where you live, you will likely get a larger percentage off MSRP for a FFE than a Bolt, although I'm seeing dealers offering discounts of $3500 or more on Bolt's (no "one only's" either, all in stock).

And, show me where you can get a Model 3 (Sorry, can't call it a M3, that has a whole other meaning to a BMW owner like me!!) for $13K more than a FFE. In fact, show me where I can find a Model 3 at all!!

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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:57 am

campfamily wrote:
Smoking_Rubber wrote:The Bolt costs $13k more than the FFE. That's a steep jump. For that money I'd much rather have a Model 3.
EH? Comparing MSRP, FFE is $29,995 vs Bolt $37,495. Yes, you can option a Bolt up to make it $13K more than a FFE, but that's comparing apples and oranges. One difference is that, depending on where you live, you will likely get a larger percentage off MSRP for a FFE than a Bolt, although I'm seeing dealers offering discounts of $3500 or more on Bolt's (no "one only's" either, all in stock).

And, show me where you can get a Model 3 (Sorry, can't call it a M3, that has a whole other meaning to a BMW owner like me!!) for $13K more than a FFE. In fact, show me where I can find a Model 3 at all!!

Keith
The FFEs I looked at w/ leather seats MSRP is $31k. The Bolt Premium (the model OP got) lists MSRP at $44k. The Model 3 (sorry to offend, M3 was just my shorthand) starts at $35k but easily jumps to the $44k range with a couple premium options. The OP is a day 1 reservation holder and he's been promised a Model 3 between Dec and Feb if I recall correctly. So yeah, you and I don't have that option but OP could have had a Model 3 in just a couple months. IF I WERE HIM, I would have had a Model 3 for the same amount he spent on the Bolt. The leasing situation may have played a factor in his decision but it's hard to say how much.
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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:12 pm

Smoking_Rubber wrote:The FFEs I looked at w/ leather seats MSRP is $31k. The Bolt Premium (the model OP got) lists MSRP at $44k. The Model 3 (sorry to offend, M3 was just my shorthand) starts at $35k but easily jumps to the $44k range with a couple premium options. The OP is a day 1 reservation holder and he's been promised a Model 3 between Dec and Feb if I recall correctly. So yeah, you and I don't have that option but OP could have had a Model 3 in just a couple months. IF I WERE HIM, I would have had a Model 3 for the same amount he spent on the Bolt. The leasing situation may have played a factor in his decision but it's hard to say how much.
The Bolt is $44k fully loaded. That is with all option packages available and excludes dealer installed options. Sure there are a few things I would like that the Bolt does not have, most notably adaptive cruise control, but it comes pretty well optioned out.

I weighed the possibilities and honestly, the Model 3, as desirable as it is, just does not come off as a responsible financial choice, at the moment. For one, I have no idea whether Tesla will hit that December to February delivery timeframe. Considering that at the end of September, they had only produced 260 or so cars and not the 1,500 that were promised, I am not feeling terribly optimistic.

Another factor I had to consider was that the lease on my FFE was coming to a close. Ford only offered to allow me to extend up to two months, which would only get me to the start of December. Could I have just done something in the interim? Probably, but that creates a lot of hassle and cost for me.

Third, from a financial perspective, a Model 3 optioned the way I would want it was likely going to cost $46k before taxes and would result in my wait time getting pushed back to February to April. If I took the first available, my cost is $54k before taxes. Since leasing is not available, I would be looking at a purchase, which includes the potential hassle of selling the car down the road. On a purchase, I was looking at at least $14k out of pocket for the down payment, taxes, and fees and around $850/month on a 5-year loan through Tesla's preferred lender. Sure I would get $10k on that back on rebates and tax credits, but that also requires more work on my part. The leases from third party leasing companies were not much better, with $4-5k drive-off and $750+/month before taxes.

There is simply too much uncertainty around the Model 3 and, as much as I want a Tesla, I also have to do what is responsible. My monthly payments with taxes included are less than half of of what third-party lessors wanted for the Model 3 and are almost 1/3 of what the loan payment would be and that was with no money out of pocket aside from my first month's payment. All my DMV fees, taxes, etc. were all rolled into my monthly payment. I am also going to be getting nearly $3k in my pocket from rebates through the state and my local power utility. My total cost of ownership for the next 3 years comes out to nearly $2k less than what it was on the FFE. I may not have access to Tesla's supercharger network, but for the vast majority of the driving my wife and I do, we have gotten by with readily available public charging and just using a Level 1 charger at home.

Like I said in the post, if I take out the subjective desire for a Tesla, the Bolt makes a whole heck of a lot of sense. And in three years, I can evaluate the available EV landscape and potentially get much more car for around the same money.
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Re: Chevy Bolt Drive

Wed Oct 11, 2017 1:18 pm

I found the back seat of the Focus to be almost unusable except to throw stuff. Not suitable for an adult.

Back seat of Bolt is very roomy by comparison. By contrast, FFE front was more comfortable.

User interface of Bolt is more modern, but frankly I found the FFE user interface to be much easier to use.

But the main thing is the range. Once you've had a 200+ mile EV, there will be no going back to anything less. Even our 140 mile RAV 4 EV required planning. The Bolt gives much more freedom to "just go"
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